MS Mobile Show - A Microsoft Enthusiast Podcast

The MS Mobile Show is a podcast which follows the journey of the WinPhan community. Vernon E. L. Smith hosts the show that enjoys a light-hearted view of what Microsoft is doing with their mobile devices and services.
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Apr 26, 2017

Sean Michael shares a bit about the journalism industry, university in the 'States versus the UK, married life, American football, horseback riding, and some favorite pieces of tech. Plus, it wouldn't be a show without a bit of Windows Mobile discussion on episode 085 if the MS Mobile Show.

You can follow Sean on Twitter @Sean_Michael_UK

Thanks for joining us again this week, friends!

If you'd like to continue the conversation, you should follow us on Twitter: @MSMobileShow, @GoodThings2Life, and @VernonEL

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Apr 18, 2017

Ep 84 is the one where we speculate, as wildly as humanly possible with no basis in reality, whether or not there's a future for Windows 10 Mobile after being announced that it was being tossed out an airlock into the cold, dark, vastness of space... or something like that. Pandemonium! The Sky Is Falling!

But first, we start off with a public service announce as the tip of the week, discuss some candid feedback about Skype Universal's SMS Relay, and if we can't keep Windows 10 Mobile, maybe we can at least get its keyboard on PC and tablets!

Tip of the Episode

If you have just 10 minutes for this podcast, we want you to at least get a piece of information which you can use immediately in your everyday life. Today's tip is: Stay Calm and Don't Be a Jerk.

-- Reminder to be critical of problems but be respectful to the team members you are speaking with about your feedback.

The Mobile Minute

We spend a few minutes talking about a wonderful Skype Engineer who contacted me directly about feedback I posted regarding the state of SMS Relay, and the response from the team about that feedback. See the link below for more information in Beyond the Podcast!

Insider Feedback Item

Every week, we like to pick a feedback item to highlight that we think represents what the Insider program is all about. Whether it's an obscure bug that needs addressed or a feature request for something awesome, we want to get some eyes on it and help boost those upvotes!

Bring the Windows 10 Mobile Keyboard w/ Shape Writing to Windows 10 desktop --

And here's a sample of what I'm looking to have…

Top News

What is the future of Windows 10 Mobile? Is it really dead? Well, Aaron has a theory on this…

The long and short of it… It's worse than dead… it's brain is gone! Haha, no but really, let's start with the supposed controversy:

Announcing Windows 10 Build 16176 for PC and 15204 for Mobile
We are also releasing Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview Build 15204 to Insiders in the Fast ring. As we release new builds from our Development Branch for PC, we will also be doing the same for Windows 10 Mobile just like we have been in the past. However, Windows Insiders will likely notice some minor differences. The biggest difference being that the build number and branch won’t match the builds we will be releasing for PC. This is a result of more work we’re doing to converge code into OneCore – the heart of Windows across PC, tablet, phone, IoT, HoloLens, Xbox and more as we continue to develop new improvements for Windows 10 Mobile and our enterprise customers.

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This statement is in stark contrast to what her predecessor Gabe Aul had to say back in January 2016 with Build 14251…

Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14251
Sharp-eyed Insiders likely noted the big jump in build numbers from our last preview build (11102). Historically, the codebase for mobile had a different OS version than the codebase for PC because they were developed by different teams on different schedules. With Windows 10, we became one Windows team and brought these two codebases together. We started by changing the version string displayed in the UI to be consistent, which is why you saw similarly labeled builds over the past year for both Mobile and PC, but the underlying binary version numbers were still different. As part of our work getting the common codebase ready for the next release, we decided to complete that work and sync the build numbers between mobile and PC. Because the mobile codebase used higher build numbers than PC, we needed to jump ahead a bunch of build numbers to ensure updates to future builds will continue to work. So that’s why build numbers went from 11105, 11106, and 11107 to 14251.

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Clearly Dona is telling us the sky is falling! Mobile is being cast aside and PC and others are moving forward. How can you claim convergence when you're separating the branches? For this, there's some deeper concepts you need to understand about software development process.

Good chance that we're looking at Windows Phone 7.8 Part Deux… old stuff is old, and well, it's time to say goodbye...

But does that mean they're putting phones out to pasture? No, at least, not new phone-capable mobile devices… but let's consider what we've heard since the launch of Anniversary Update in August:

Interview with Mary Jo Foley of ZDNet in October 2016:

MJF: I realize this year was a year when Microsoft planned not to release any new Windows Phones itself. But the question I keep getting is why is Microsoft wasting time updating Windows Mobile when the market share is one percent? You don't have that many phone OEMs. Why not just say, you know, maybe we'll come back some day, but for now, let's just stop playing around with mobile.

MYERSON: Technically, there are really two things that are unique about Windows Mobile. One is cellular connectivity and the other one is the ARM processors that are there. And I think both cellular connectivity and ARM processors have a role in the technical landscape of the future.

So we're going to continue to invest in ARM and cellular. And while I'm not saying what type of device, I think we'll see devices there, Windows devices, that use ARM chips. I think we'll see devices that have cellular connectivity.

When you stop investing in these things, it's super hard, super, super hard to restart. And at Microsoft we have a few of those examples where we stopped. Sometimes, when you're investing into growth, it's easier, but when you're investing for technical strategy or things like that, sometimes people can question it -- like you're doing right now. But especially among your readers, I don't think there's much debate that ARM processors have a role in the future. And cellular connectivity does as well.

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Interview with Satya Nadella pre-announcing an ultimate mobile device in November 2016…

"We will continue to be in the phone market not as defined by today's market leaders, but by what it is that we can uniquely do in what is the most ultimate mobile device," he said.

"Therefore [with Nokia assets], we stopped doing things that were me-too and started doing things, even if they are today very sub-scale, to be very focused on a specific set of customers who need a specific set of capabilities that are differentiated and that we can do a good job of."

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Finally, here's the demo of Windows 10 for ARM on a Snapdragon 820/821 exactly like the HP Elite x3 which is stated by the Qualcomm executive VP Cristiano Amon at the 12-minute mark which clearly indicates that the intent is to have phone-style devices powering these high end experiences in the future.

Windows 10 on ARM full demo at WinHEC 2016 Now I'm not sure about anyone else, but there were lots of oohs and ahhs in that demo, and the performance on a Snapdragon 820 was pretty slick, so what do we have to say about the future of Windows 10 on Mobile Phone Devices? Well...

It Ain't Over - Animal House (1978)


Personal Media Picks

  • App - Netflix - Can now download!
  • Music - Piano Guys
  • Film/TV - Dave Chappelle
  • Podcast - Phone Show Chat - Steve Litchfield and Ted Salmon

In Conclusion...

Thanks for joining us again this week, friends!

If you'd like to continue the conversation, you should follow us on Twitter: @MSMobileShow, @GoodThings2Life, and @VernonEL

If you feel the need to communicate more formally with us, you can email the show at

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We want to give a big thanks to MSPoweruser for sponsoring this episode! The few bucks I make each week doing that show help me justify doing this one that doesn’t earn any money! Be sure to take a listen, if you don't already subscribe.


Apr 12, 2017

We get a deeper insight into not only the Cerulean Moment, but a few new surprises from WhartonBrooks as well! Join us for episode 083 as Vernon and Aaron chat with Greg Murphy.

Diving into the interview, we discover all the details of how the Moment came to be and learn that the Moment isn't the only phone model on the agenda!


01:01 - We start out with some getting to know you details about the man behind the dream and find out that he and Aaron have a similar past with Healthcare IT!

06:38 - All-time Favorite Windows Phone/Mobile device: It's no surprise that a certain Lumia takes the crown here, but turns out there's a special place in Greg's heart for more than just one Lumia and a few non-Nokia phones as well.

09:24 - Why did you want to make a Windows Mobile device? They always say necessity is the mother of all invention, and this is one of those scenarios… 

11:25 - What did you learn about the ODM industry? Why do you have to go and make things so complicated? 

14:10 - Who is taking this journey with you? It takes a village to build a phone…

16:03 – iSkin – Rishi – VR headset in the works, going with the name Zyphyr

19:40 - Who did you want to make a phone for? The fans. It's always about the fans! But turns out there may be room for more than one group of fans… 

26:07 - How is this going to replace multiple computing devices? Continuum is a bridge to a more unified computing paradigm…

27:49 – Greg defends his use of the term “Disruptive” when describing Continuum.

30:13 - Does the Snapdragon 617 have enough power? In a word. Yes! But don't just take our word for it, the proof is in the pudding! Check out Greg's demo of the Moment running Continuum: My Cerulean Moment At Play 

31:30 – Wired versus wireless

32:56 - What about the future of the Cerulean product line and your plans for Windows Mobile? What's this?! More than one model is planned and might there be another surprise by way of some VR support?

“We have a slate of five phones that we want to bring to the market.

The CEO phone – The elegant masterpiece, where is does everything well, and looks good, too.

The Allegro – A music and musician phone, which has high-end audio capability for recording and playback. We thought it should have multiple inputs for multiple microphones, and multiple USB ports. It should be able to accept different types of peripherals and external storage.

The Mountain – a rugged phone for the outdoor adventurer type smartphone.

The Moment – Was originally planned to be a camera-centric phone, which would replace the 1020. We have some work yet to do there, but we have to start somewhere.   

The Capsule – Compact without compromise (which Greg’s wife desperately wants).

We will be accepting input from the Windows Phone community regarding which phone they should pursue next.”


37:34 – Aaron shares his experiences of how he uses Continuum in both wired and wireless configurations.

40:33 – Vernon makes a case for the Cerulean Moment as a solid device for Windows Mobile enthusiasts.

43:17 – Greg discusses the after-the-purchase support set up for the Cerulean Mobile devices.

47:01 – Full specs of the Moment detailed.

57:23 Why did you need to choose Indigogo to crowdfund this device? This is an expensive endeavor and for it to work, the initial target is the masses that loved the more mass-appeal devices like the 640 and 830 class devices. Next up, if successful now, will be the "CEO" hero phone and the specialty phones.

1:00:15 – We can expect a separate funding campaign in Brazil, which may extend the end date of the current Indiegogo campaign.

1:02:07 - How long must Windows Phone fans wait to get in on this device? Act now-- offer ends May 15th! Visit IndiGoGo to preorder! Seriously, just do it… buy one for a family member who needs a good budget phone and has simple needs, or buy one for yourself an Insider Builds tester, or buy it as a solid replacement for an aging device and help show MSFT how much this platform matters to us. You're a WinPhan, right? Let's keep the dream alive! 

For news on the Cerulean phones, follow them on Twitter-- @CeruleanMobile, @WhartonBrooks, Facebook, Instagram, email If you want to reach out to Greg directly you can find him at @mistagreg.


Thanks for listening! We always appreciate your feedback and interaction.

If you enjoy the show and don’t want to miss an episode, be sure to subscribe using your favorite podcast app.

Continue the conversation with us on Twitter at @MSMobileShow, @VernonEL, and @GoodThings2Life. You can email us at

Have a wonderful week! Stay mobile.

Apr 6, 2017

Episode 082 gives us a chance to dig into the future of Continuum; especially since the WhartonBrooks Cerulean Moment has been officially announced. Aaron has a great tip for cleaning up duplicate contacts in Skype and Outlook. Vernon paints a picture of how the casual user could use their mobile in three years.

1:45 Tip of the Episode: Aaron shares how to clean up contact duplication after the Skype Preview messes them up.

1) Make sure you turn off SMS Relay for now. 

2) Go to Skype app and under Skype Contacts, remove anyone that isn't an actual Skype contact. 

3) Next up, go to on the web (app is not sufficient). Empty Deleted Items. 

4) Go to People on the web and go to the actual Contacts list ... Perform clean up there. Actually, here's a better tip... this is actually easier on the phone through People app. Enter Select mode and select all the contacts you can find on the web that are duplicate... When you choose the Delete option on phone, it will prompt you for confirmation... UNCHECK the version you want to keep and leave the rest selected... press Delete, and voila-- nice and tidy.

5) Go back on web and empty Deleted Items again (if you look in there, you'll see that when you delete contacts from ANYWHERE now, it leaves them in Deleted Items. Once emptied, you can verify your results on the People portion of Outlook Web.


8:42 The Mobile Minute: WhartonBrooks’ Cerulean Mobile announces their Cerulean Moment. Visit IndiGoGo to preorder!

Also, Vernon recently posted an editorial, making the case for “Why You Should Back the Cerulean Moment”

16:14 Top News: Vernon and Aaron discuss why Continuum will be the killer app of the future, especially for regular consumers.  

26:57 Samsung’s DeX is nothing like Continuum, according to Steve Litchfield on AAWP Insight Podcast.

37:10 Win of the Week

42:13 Deal O’ The Day: Rent any of 7 of the X-Men movies for 1000 Bing Rewards points.

45:05 Insider Feedback Item: Contacts Linking and/or Missing

Thanks to @carlomendoza for the great suggestion for Windows Insider feedback to discuss!

48:46 Personal Media Picks:

Money Tracker Pro

White & Nerdy - Weird Al Yankovic

The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People: Powerful Lessons in Personal Change – Stephen R. Covey (Amazon Affiliate link)

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58:51 Episode Sponsor: We want to give a big thanks to the sponsor of this episode, Clifton M. Thomas for some handy image editing he graciously provided for the show! Be sure to check out his podcast, TekBeard.  Be sure to say you heard about him on the MS Mobile Show!

Thanks for listening! We always appreciate your feedback and interaction.

If you enjoy the show and don't want to miss an episode, be sure to subscribe using your favorite podcast app.

Continue the conversation with us on Twitter at @MSMobileShow, @VernonEL, and @GoodThings2Life. You can email us at

Have a wonderful week! Stay mobile.